2016 Alamaze Championship!

[unclemike]

1. Vball, Atuan, Lojjin
2. Atuan, the Wise One, Imperial Tark
3. Drogo, Vball, JF
4. Atuan, Jf, Tomag
5. Canticar, Dupont, Rogal
6. Imperial Tark, Atuan, Canticar
7. Rytek, Son of Conan, Devil Dog
8. Atuan, Netstrider, Cloud
9. Canticar, the Wise one, Acererak
10. Imperial Tark, Canticar, Acererak
Dist 1. Atuan, JF, Rogal
Dist 2. Frost Lord, JF, Imperial Tark

Since Atuan picked 4, The Wise One (me) will take region 2. By doing so, this should give Acererak region 9 since Canticar mentioned he won't be participating. Some votes are from people who said they weren't interested in playing in earlier posts so can we show who chose what option.

By Draft:
 Acererak
 Atuan
 Drogo
 Imperial Tark

By Region:
 The Wise One

Will Not Participate (vote won't count):
 Canticar (gkmetty)
 Damelon
 Jumpingfist
 Lord Diamond
 Son of Conan
 Vball Michael

If the above is incorrect or you changed your mind, repost your intentions...

[Atuan]

I believe Canticar has choosen region 9 and is choosing by region. I think vbm is also choosing region 1 by region.

[Atuan]

Yes, lots of ways to pick who should be in Championship game.

For future (2017 Championship game), I would propose that for all qualifying games (games where you play a non-team single kingdom with a minimum of 10 total players at the start of the game), that a first place finish nets you 7 points, a second place finish nets you 3 points, and a third place finish nets you 1 point.  Then you simply sum up the points for all the podium finishers in the qualifying games and take the top 12 (who agree to play) with top place getting to pick first in the draft and so on down the list.

The thought differences still hold true with this option, quantity over quality.  Is a player who plays in 9 games with three third place finishes better then a player who plays in 3 games and finishes 1st in one of them?  Should a player be penalized because they cant spend as much money on gaming as another player?

While determining the player who did the best with each kingdom is not perfect this method is agreed upon and has been used in years past.

Yes based on your example. But moving to an average of status points per game with tie breaker on podiums seems reasonable. The better players will float to the top based on that and if needed you could have a minimum number of games played to ensure one person doesn't play one game and say done.

[Ry Vor]

Are we at an impasse here, or do we think we are getting close to a decision?

I'd just ask all potential participants to not dig in their heels on any particular outcome.  We want the Championship to be a celebration.

I will look at the status tomorrow (Saturday) about noon, and see where we stand.

Meanwhile, if some high ranked players are not playing under any scenario, I am sorry, don't know what else I can do, but let us know here on this thread to simplify things.

[IMPERIAL_TARK]

Yes, lots of ways to pick who should be in Championship game.

For future (2017 Championship game), I would propose that for all qualifying games (games where you play a non-team single kingdom with a minimum of 10 total players at the start of the game), that a first place finish nets you 7 points, a second place finish nets you 3 points, and a third place finish nets you 1 point.  Then you simply sum up the points for all the podium finishers in the qualifying games and take the top 12 (who agree to play) with top place getting to pick first in the draft and so on down the list.

The thought differences still hold true with this option, quantity over quality.  Is a player who plays in 9 games with three third place finishes better then a player who plays in 3 games and finishes 1st in one of them?  Should a player be penalized because they cant spend as much money on gaming as another player?

While determining the player who did the best with each kingdom is not perfect this method is agreed upon and has been used in years past.

Yes based on your example.  But moving to an average of status points per game with tie breaker on podiums seems reasonable.  The better players will float to the top based on that and if needed you could have a minimum number of games played to ensure one person doesn't play one game and say done.

I would also answer "yes" based on your example. I would also support "average status points per game" system Atuan has proposed but see one drawback which is why I prefer an objective points system. If I play a game that ends on T22 with a first place win and Atuan plays in a game that ends of T37 with a first place win, we both get the win, but Atuan likely has more status points (and thus a higher average) simply because the game went longer. Similarly, as he pointed out, wizard kingdoms are likely to average much higher as well because of all those P7 wizards status points. A point system simply focuses on did you get the win (or the podium) or not.

[VballMichael]

I prefer the old method of kingdoms but will play a draft as seems the consensus, either random or average points for choosing order. I opted out when it was the slugfest thing. Total status points gets us nowhere.

[Atuan]

Are we at an impasse here, or do we think we are getting close to a decision?

I'd just ask all potential participants to not dig in their heels on any particular outcome.  We want the Championship to be a celebration.

I will look at the status tomorrow (Saturday) about noon, and see where we stand.

Meanwhile, if some high ranked players are not playing under any scenario, I am sorry, don't know what else I can do, but let us know here on this thread to simplify things.

I believe we are gathering the people. the format for selection seems to be fair and currently falls under draft. Now is that random draft or some point system I think is still open.

[gkmetty]

I agree. The consensus format is draft. I would agree to a random draft.

I believe the extra conversation in the post is for future consideration.

[gkmetty]

I believe Canticar has choosen region 9 and is choosing by region.  I think vbm is also choosing region 1 by region.

Keep in mind the regional selections are to determine who participates in the game.  I believe the vote for Kingdom selection process is favoring draft and I would agree to this if it is a random draft.

[gkmetty]

Yes, lots of ways to pick who should be in Championship game.

For future (2017 Championship game), I would propose that for all qualifying games (games where you play a non-team single kingdom with a minimum of 10 total players at the start of the game), that a first place finish nets you 7 points, a second place finish nets you 3 points, and a third place finish nets you 1 point.  Then you simply sum up the points for all the podium finishers in the qualifying games and take the top 12 (who agree to play) with top place getting to pick first in the draft and so on down the list.

The thought differences still hold true with this option, quantity over quality.  Is a player who plays in 9 games with three third place finishes better then a player who plays in 3 games and finishes 1st in one of them?  Should a player be penalized because they cant spend as much money on gaming as another player?

While determining the player who did the best with each kingdom is not perfect this method is agreed upon and has been used in years past.

Yes based on your example.  But moving to an average of status points per game with tie breaker on podiums seems reasonable.  The better players will float to the top based on that and if needed you could have a minimum number of games played to ensure one person doesn't play one game and say done.

I would also answer "yes" based on your example.  I would also support "average status points per game" system Atuan has proposed but see one drawback which is why I prefer an objective points system.  If I play a game that ends on T22 with a first place win and Atuan plays in a game that ends of T37 with a first place win, we both get the win, but Atuan likely has more status points (and thus a higher average) simply because the game went longer.  Similarly, as he pointed out, wizard kingdoms are likely to average much higher as well because of all those P7 wizards status points.  A point system simply focuses on did you get the win (or the podium) or not.

Our thought processes are different.  I believe 1 first place finish in 3 games is better then 3 third place finishes in 9 games.  And thank you for making my point.  Wizard kingdoms will have more status points then other kingdoms.  That is why they should be compared to other Wizard kingdoms only.  We should not be comparing Wizard kingdoms with the SA or NO.  That is why determining a kingdom champion is the fairest method.