I am under attack in my region. My opponent has taken two towns militarily and this will cause me to lose my region. During the turn I denigrate my opponent and my turn results report that my opponent is already Hostile. I do indeed lose control of the region. I have previously declared my opponent an Enemy.
Here is my question. At the time I denigrated my opponent I had already lost control of sufficient population to lose control of the region. Does the report in my turn results take into account that I had lost the region? Is my opponent Hostile or did they improve to suspicious as I lost control of the region?
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If you get that notification, then your opponent was at the worst reaction level when you denigrated. So he should still be Hostile after you lose control.
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I am pretty sure that you ony lose control of your region at the end of the turn when the game checks for that. You don't lose control right when you lose the pc. Likewise, you don't gain control until the end of the turn.
I was pretty sure I would gain control of a region with my nobles, but didn't have a low ranking noble in the region to get the automatic promotion so I used order 350 to send an Ambassador in. He got the promotion even though he arrived AFTER I gained the pcs.
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(02-10-2015, 02:02 AM)Lord Diamond Wrote: I am pretty sure that you ony lose control of your region at the end of the turn when the game checks for that. You don't lose control right when you lose the pc. Likewise, you don't gain control until the end of the turn.
I was pretty sure I would gain control of a region with my nobles, but didn't have a low ranking noble in the region to get the automatic promotion so I used order 350 to send an Ambassador in. He got the promotion even though he arrived AFTER I gained the pcs.
LD is correct regional control occurs only at the end of the turn. This has been discussed by Ry-Vor/Cipher in previous threads.
I don't think your enemy can become double hostile so if his regional reaction improves when you lose control he will be suspicious.
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I've gotten people below "Hostile" with an enemy declaration, but it just looks like Hostile until you lose control of the region (in which case it remains Hostile). Similarly, I've been above Friendly with an ally declaration, with the same effect.
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02-10-2015, 03:08 AM
(This post was last modified: 02-10-2015, 03:10 AM by Hawk_.)
(02-10-2015, 02:42 AM)HeadHoncho Wrote: I've gotten people below "Hostile" with an enemy declaration, but it just looks like Hostile until you lose control of the region (in which case it remains Hostile). Similarly, I've been above Friendly with an ally declaration, with the same effect.
I would agree re: the double friendly/ hostile via regional control.
However, you can't 470 to double friendly can you? It says you are at max. Are you sure you can 475 somebody into double hostile HH?
If not the denigration might have done nothing and he could be at SUSP.
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You can't enamor or denigrate above friendly or below hostile, but the 440 is a layer beyond that is applied after the normal max. So if he got the max message, it means his opponent ought to be at Hostile that turn, regardless of the loss of regional control.
(02-10-2015, 03:17 AM)HeadHoncho Wrote: You can't enamor or denigrate above friendly or below hostile, but the 440 is a layer beyond that is applied after the normal max. So if he got the max message, it means his opponent ought to be at Hostile that turn, regardless of the loss of regional control.
This is correct. There is no double anything.
The regional reaction is tracked as friendly, tolerant, suspicious or hostile. No one can be better than friendly, no one can be worse than hostile.
If the program says the target is already hostile than that is the setting at the time the order is processed.
Now if that player gains control of the region without any change to regional reaction, he will show as suspicious in the region, but cannot be denigrated any further because the stored reaction level is already hostile.
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(This post was last modified: 02-10-2015, 05:13 AM by Cloud.)
I tend to think of it as Absolute Regional Reaction vs Modified or Effective Regional Reaction - What is shown on your turn results and what your emmys use is Modified RR while Enamor/Denigrate references Absolute RR. Same with the High Priestess - it specifically says that the results are unmodified.
That said, I wanted to point out that the Regional Control check occurs not at the end of the turn, but sometime after King actions and before Agent actions. You can verify the former by checking your political reports on any turn where you had an Enamor or Denigrate and a Region's control status changed. The events in that log are reported in chronological order. I can confirm that the Regional Control Check happens before Agent actions though. In one game, I attempted assassinating a Governor of an invading kingdom. On the same turn, that kingdom gained control and I ended up killing a Baron. On the Helpful Alamaze Charts doc that Hawk gave me when I started, Determine Regional Control comes after High Priestess actions but before Magical Research.
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(02-10-2015, 05:13 AM)Cloud Wrote: I tend to think of it as Absolute Regional Reaction vs Modified or Effective Regional Reaction - What is shown on your turn results and what your emmys use is Modified RR while Enamor/Denigrate references Absolute RR. Same with the High Priestess - it specifically says that the results are unmodified.
That said, I wanted to point out that the Regional Control check occurs not at the end of the turn, but sometime after King actions and before Agent actions. You can verify the former by checking your political reports on any turn where you had an Enamor or Denigrate and a Region's control status changed. The events in that log are reported in chronological order. I can confirm that the Regional Control Check happens before Agent actions though. In one game, I attempted assassinating a Governor of an invading kingdom. On the same turn, that kingdom gained control and I ended up killing a Baron. On the Helpful Alamaze Charts doc that Hawk gave me when I started, Determine Regional Control comes after High Priestess actions but before Magical Research.
Thanks for the clarification.
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